Pension and Other Post-Retirement Benefit Matters Accumulated Other Comprehensive Income (Details) - USD ($) $ in Thousands	12 Months Ended
	Oct. 31, 2017	Oct. 31, 2016	Oct. 31, 2015
Defined Benefit Plan Disclosure [Line Items]
Comprehensive income (loss), net	$ 13,528	$ (2,744)	$ (7,263)
Pension Plan [Member] | Domestic Plan [Member]
Defined Benefit Plan Disclosure [Line Items]
Amortization of net acutarial loss	(1,311)
Defined Benefit Plan, Accumulated Other Comprehensive Income (Loss), Gain (Loss), before Tax	43,982	51,795
Comprehensive income (loss), net	(7,813)	6,867
Other Postretirement Benefits Plan [Member] | Domestic Plan [Member]
Defined Benefit Plan Disclosure [Line Items]
Amortization of net acutarial loss	(7)
Defined Benefit Plan, Accumulated Other Comprehensive Income (Loss), Gain (Loss), before Tax	84	122
Comprehensive income (loss), net	$ (38)	$ 31