Pension and Other Post-Retirement Benefit Matters Pension cash flows (Details) (USD $) In Thousands, unless otherwise specified	12 Months Ended
	Oct. 31, 2013	Oct. 31, 2012
Compensation and Retirement Disclosure [Abstract]
Defined Contribution Plan, Cost Recognized	$ 2,195	$ 1,620
Pension Plans, Defined Benefit [Member]
Defined Benefit Plan Disclosure [Line Items]
Defined Benefit Plan, Estimated Future Employer Contributions in Next Fiscal Year, Description	4,352
Employer contributions	5,146	5,907
Defined Benefit Plan, Expected Future Benefit Payments, Next Twelve Months	3,650
Defined Benefit Plan, Expected Future Benefit Payments, Year Two	3,880
Defined Benefit Plan, Expected Future Benefit Payments, Year Three	3,970
Defined Benefit Plan, Expected Future Benefit Payments, Year Four	4,240
Defined Benefit Plan, Expected Future Benefit Payments, Year Five	4,110
Defined Benefit Plans, Expected Future Benefit Payments, Thereafter	24,060
Other Postretirement Benefit Plans, Defined Benefit [Member]
Defined Benefit Plan Disclosure [Line Items]
Employer contributions	35	22
Defined Benefit Plan, Expected Future Benefit Payments, Next Twelve Months	99
Defined Benefit Plan, Expected Future Benefit Payments, Year Two	92
Defined Benefit Plan, Expected Future Benefit Payments, Year Three	88
Defined Benefit Plan, Expected Future Benefit Payments, Year Four	78
Defined Benefit Plan, Expected Future Benefit Payments, Year Five	71
Defined Benefit Plans, Expected Future Benefit Payments, Thereafter	$ 303