Pension and Other Post-Retirement Benefit Matters Accumulated Other Comprehensive Income (Details) (USD $) In Thousands, unless otherwise specified	12 Months Ended
	Oct. 31, 2013	Oct. 31, 2012
Defined Benefit Plan Disclosure [Line Items]
Comprehensive Income (Loss), Net of Tax, Attributable to Parent	$ 26,799	$ 7,002
Pension Plans, Defined Benefit [Member]
Defined Benefit Plan Disclosure [Line Items]
Amortization of net acutarial loss	1,074
Pension and Other Postretirement Benefit Plans, Accumulated Other Comprehensive Income (Loss), Net Gains (Losses), before Tax	41,280	49,415
Comprehensive Income (Loss), Net of Tax, Attributable to Parent	8,135	(10,796)
Other Postretirement Benefit Plans, Defined Benefit [Member]
Defined Benefit Plan Disclosure [Line Items]
Amortization of net acutarial loss	41
Pension and Other Postretirement Benefit Plans, Accumulated Other Comprehensive Income (Loss), Net Gains (Losses), before Tax	679	772
Comprehensive Income (Loss), Net of Tax, Attributable to Parent	$ 93	$ 72