Pension and Other Post-Retirement Benefit Matters Components of Net Benefit Costs (Details) (USD $) In Thousands, unless otherwise specified	12 Months Ended
	Oct. 31, 2013	Oct. 31, 2012	Jul. 31, 2013 employee
Pension Plans, Defined Benefit [Member]
Defined Benefit Plan Disclosure [Line Items]
Interest Cost	$ 3,260	$ 3,683
Expected return on plan assets	(3,735)	(3,251)
Settlement	1,102	0
Amortization of net actuarial loss	1,392	1,040
Net periodic benefit cost	2,019	1,472
Define Benefit Plan, Number of Former Employees Electing Lump Sum Distributions			200
Settlement, liability	2,271	0
Other Postretirement Benefit Plans, Defined Benefit [Member]
Defined Benefit Plan Disclosure [Line Items]
Interest Cost	34	45
Expected return on plan assets	0	0
Settlement	0	0
Amortization of net actuarial loss	48	54
Net periodic benefit cost	82	99
Settlement, liability	$ 0	$ 0