Components of Net Periodic Benefit Cost (Details) (USD $) In Thousands, unless otherwise specified	3 Months Ended		9 Months Ended
	Jul. 31, 2013 employee	Jul. 31, 2012	Jul. 31, 2013 employee	Jul. 31, 2012
Defined Benefit Plan Disclosure [Line Items]
Pension Contributions			$ 4,194
Estimated Future Employer Contributions in Next Fiscal Year	952		952
United States Pension Plans of US Entity, Defined Benefit [Member]
Defined Benefit Plan Disclosure [Line Items]
Defined Benefit Plan, Interest Cost	815	921	2,445	2,762
Defined Benefit Plan, Expected Return on Plan Assets	(934)	(813)	(2,801)	(2,438)
Defined Benefit Plan, Actuarial Net Losses	348	260	1,044	780
Defined Benefit Plan, Settlements, Benefit Obligation	500	0	500	0
Defined Benefit Plan, Net Periodic Benefit Cost	729	368	1,188	1,104
Number of employees receiving post-retirement benefits	200		200
Defined Benefit Plan, Settlements, Plan Assets			2,200
Defined Benefit Plan, Settlements, Future Benefit Obligations			600
United States Postretirement Benefit Plans of US Entity, Defined Benefit [Member]
Defined Benefit Plan Disclosure [Line Items]
Defined Benefit Plan, Interest Cost	8	11	25	33
Defined Benefit Plan, Expected Return on Plan Assets	0	0	0	0
Defined Benefit Plan, Actuarial Net Losses	12	14	36	41
Defined Benefit Plan, Settlements, Benefit Obligation	0	0	0	0
Defined Benefit Plan, Net Periodic Benefit Cost	$ 20	$ 25	$ 61	$ 74