Pension and Other Post-Retirement Benefit Matters Accumulated Other Comprehensive Income (Details) (USD $) In Thousands, unless otherwise specified	12 Months Ended
	Oct. 31, 2012	Oct. 31, 2011
Defined Benefit Plan Disclosure [Line Items]
Comprehensive Income (Loss), Net of Tax, Attributable to Parent	$ 7,002	$ 5,842
Pension Plans, Defined Benefit [Member]
Defined Benefit Plan Disclosure [Line Items]
Pension and Other Postretirement Benefit Plans, Accumulated Other Comprehensive Income (Loss), Net Gains (Losses), before Tax	49,415	38,619
Comprehensive Income (Loss), Net of Tax, Attributable to Parent	(10,796)	(2,721)
Amortization of net acutarial loss	(1,392)
Other Postretirement Benefit Plans, Defined Benefit [Member]
Defined Benefit Plan Disclosure [Line Items]
Pension and Other Postretirement Benefit Plans, Accumulated Other Comprehensive Income (Loss), Net Gains (Losses), before Tax	772	844
Comprehensive Income (Loss), Net of Tax, Attributable to Parent	72	(286)
Amortization of net acutarial loss	$ (48)