Pension and Other Post-Retirement Benefit Matters Components of Net Benefit Costs (Details) (USD $) In Thousands, unless otherwise specified	12 Months Ended
	Oct. 31, 2012	Oct. 31, 2011
Pension Plans, Defined Benefit [Member]
Defined Benefit Plan Disclosure [Line Items]
Defined Benefit Plan, Service Cost	$ 0	$ 140
Interest Cost	3,683	3,821
Expected return on plan assets	(3,251)	(2,821)
Amortization of net actuarial loss	(1,040)	(1,245)
Defined Benefit Plan, Net Periodic Benefit Cost	1,472	2,385
Other Postretirement Benefit Plans, Defined Benefit [Member]
Defined Benefit Plan Disclosure [Line Items]
Defined Benefit Plan, Service Cost	0	7
Interest Cost	45	30
Expected return on plan assets	0	0
Amortization of net actuarial loss	(54)	(61)
Defined Benefit Plan, Net Periodic Benefit Cost	$ 99	$ 98