Pension and Other Post-Retirement Benefit Matters Pension and Post-Retirement Benefits on Balance Sheet (Details) (USD $) In Thousands, unless otherwise specified	Oct. 31, 2012	Oct. 31, 2011
Defined Benefit Plan Disclosure [Line Items]
Pension and Other Postretirement Defined Benefit Plans, Liabilities, Noncurrent	$ 32,819	$ 24,019
Pension Plans, Defined Benefit [Member]
Defined Benefit Plan Disclosure [Line Items]
Pension and Other Postretirement Defined Benefit Plans, Current Liabilities	(3,480)	(5,910)
Pension and Other Postretirement Defined Benefit Plans, Liabilities, Noncurrent	(31,955)	(23,164)
Pension and Other Postretirement Defined Benefit Plans, Liabilities	(35,435)	(29,074)
Other Postretirement Benefit Plans, Defined Benefit [Member]
Defined Benefit Plan Disclosure [Line Items]
Pension and Other Postretirement Defined Benefit Plans, Current Liabilities	(92)	(82)
Pension and Other Postretirement Defined Benefit Plans, Liabilities, Noncurrent	(848)	(853)
Pension and Other Postretirement Defined Benefit Plans, Liabilities	$ (940)	$ (935)