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9 Months Ended
Sep. 30, 2012
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   U.S. Property & Casualty Professional Liability Accident & Health U.S. Surety & Credit International Investing Corporate & Other Consolidated
Nine months ended September 30, 2012                       
                          
Net earned premium$265,593 $298,454 $624,077 $154,232 $302,303 $0 $31,463 $1,676,122
Other revenue 15,300  799  3,589  659  2,766  174,133  116  197,362
 Segment revenue  280,893   299,253   627,666   154,891   305,069   174,133  31,579  1,873,484
                          
Loss and LAE 154,156  170,506  447,262  42,444  126,547  0  28,852  969,767
Other expense 89,348  49,621  93,127  83,402  108,018  0  75,303  498,819
 Segment expense  243,504   220,127   540,389   125,846   234,565   -   104,155   1,468,586
  Segment pretax earnings (loss)$37,389 $79,126 $87,277 $29,045 $70,504 $174,133 $(72,576) $404,898

   U.S. Property & Casualty Professional Liability Accident & Health U.S. Surety & Credit International Investing Corporate & Other Consolidated
Nine months ended September 30, 2011                     
                          
Net earned premium$245,121 $307,240 $568,318 $153,309 $267,458 $0 $35,541 $1,576,987
Other revenue 16,556  358  3,468  955  2,791  158,472  (503)  182,097
 Segment revenue  261,677   307,598   571,786   154,264   270,249   158,472  35,038  1,759,084
                          
Loss and LAE 148,783  257,632  411,851  42,351  175,635  0  25,988  1,062,240
Other expense 82,202  40,055  89,228  82,909  99,754  0  60,120  454,268
 Segment expense  230,985   297,687   501,079   125,260   275,389   -   86,108   1,516,508
                          
  Segment pretax earnings (loss)$30,692 $9,911 $70,707 $29,004 $(5,140) $158,472 $(51,070) $242,576

Three months ended September 30, 2012                       
                          
Net earned premium$87,741 $97,549 $209,049 $53,388 $105,831 $0 $10,092 $563,650
Other revenue 8,415  532  1,095  244  631  57,183  (77)  68,023
 Segment revenue 96,156  98,081  210,144  53,632  106,462  57,183  10,015  631,673
                          
Loss and LAE 53,229  36,183  140,344  15,721  46,924  0  11,613  304,014
Other expense 29,581  13,414  32,025  27,879  39,253  0  31,888  174,040
 Segment expense 82,810  49,597  172,369  43,600  86,177  0  43,501  478,054
  Segment pretax earnings (loss)$13,346 $48,484 $37,775 $10,032 $20,285 $57,183 $(33,486) $153,619

Three months ended September 30, 2011                       
                          
Net earned premium$85,946 $104,066 $191,715 $51,906 $99,294 $0 $11,329 $544,256
Other revenue 6,890  109  1,275  254  889  57,439  (588)  66,268
 Segment revenue  92,836   104,175   192,990   52,160   100,183   57,439  10,741  610,524
                          
Loss and LAE 56,355  119,617  138,566  12,664  45,242  0  7,928  380,372
Other expense 26,627  6,023  29,897  27,657  35,734  0  21,422  147,360
 Segment expense  82,982   125,640   168,463   40,321   80,976   -   29,350   527,732
                          
  Segment pretax earnings (loss)$9,854 $(21,465) $24,527 $11,839 $19,207 $57,439 $(18,609) $82,792