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Reinsurance (Details 4) (USD $)
In Thousands
Sep. 30, 2011
Dec. 31, 2010
Calculation of net reserves, net unearned premium and net deferred policy acquisition costs  
Loss and loss adjustment expense payable$ 3,686,570$ 3,471,858
Reinsurance recoverable on outstanding losses(475,671)(452,882)
Reinsurance recoverable on incurred but not reported losses(542,049)(481,204)
Net reserves2,668,8502,537,772
Unearned premium1,071,3401,045,877
Ceded unearned premium(231,537)(278,663)
Net unearned premium839,803767,214
Deferred policy acquisition costs225,190212,786
Deferred ceding commissions(66,059)(72,565)
Net deferred policy acquisition costs$ 159,131$ 140,221