Retiree Benefits (Details) - USD ($) $ in Thousands	3 Months Ended		9 Months Ended
	Jul. 31, 2015	Aug. 01, 2014	Jul. 31, 2015	Aug. 01, 2014
Pension Plans, Defined Benefit
Components of net periodic benefit cost
Service cost	$ 1,036	$ 1,634	$ 2,989	$ 4,672
Interest cost	18,344	22,511	57,690	63,810
Expected return on assets	(25,108)	(27,348)	(78,698)	(79,747)
Amortization of:
Prior service cost	17	148	52	440
Actuarial loss (gain)	5,973	5,703	18,524	16,562
Settlement charge		7,838		7,838
Net periodic benefit cost	2,585	10,486	15,786	13,575
Postretirement Benefits
Components of net periodic benefit cost
Service cost	204	195	613	714
Interest cost	291	315	872	959
Expected return on assets	(156)	(121)	(468)	(415)
Amortization of:
Prior service cost	33	33	99	99
Actuarial loss (gain)	(206)	(159)	(619)	(611)
Net periodic benefit cost	$ 166	$ 263	$ 497	$ 746