Retiree Benefits (Details) (USD $) In Thousands, unless otherwise specified	3 Months Ended
	Jan. 31, 2014	Jan. 25, 2013
Pension Plans, Defined Benefit
Components of net periodic benefit cost
Service cost	$ 2,721	$ 2,848
Interest cost	20,661	19,511
Expected return on assets	(26,385)	(25,604)
Amortization of:
Prior service cost	133	153
Actuarial loss (gain)	5,488	9,860
Net periodic benefit cost	2,618	6,768
Postretirement Benefits
Components of net periodic benefit cost
Service cost	260	355
Interest cost	322	302
Expected return on assets	(147)	(112)
Amortization of:
Prior service cost	33	42
Actuarial loss (gain)	(226)	(231)
Net periodic benefit cost	$ 242	$ 356