Revised Supplemental Guarantor Information Supplemental Guarantor Information (Level 4 New Guarantor Information) (Details 1) (USD $) In Thousands, unless otherwise specified	3 Months Ended
	Jan. 31, 2013	Jan. 31, 2012	Oct. 31, 2012
Inventory, Operative Builders	$ 4,155,047		$ 3,761,187
Investments in and Advance to Affiliates, Subsidiaries, Associates, and Joint Ventures	321,851		330,617
Total assets	6,118,251		6,181,044
Loans Payable	93,314		99,817
Advances from Affiliiate	0		0
Liabilities	2,977,141		3,053,173
Total equity	3,141,110		3,127,871
Revenues	424,601	321,955
Income (loss) from operations	617	(19,290)
Income (loss) before income taxes	8,326	(6,408)
New Guarantors [Member]
Inventory, Operative Builders	235,490		168,218
Investments in and Advance to Affiliates, Subsidiaries, Associates, and Joint Ventures	100,887		110,014
Total assets	341,569		282,638
Loans Payable	15,006		30,424
Advances from Affiliiate	306,410		237,298
Liabilities	333,393		277,738
Total equity	8,176		4,900
Revenues	10,444	0
Income (loss) from operations	3,202	3,393
Income (loss) before income taxes	$ 1,003	$ (395)