Investments in Distressed Loans and Foreclosed Real Estate (Details) (USD $) In Thousands, unless otherwise specified	3 Months Ended	6 Months Ended
Apr. 30, 2013	Apr. 30, 2012	Apr. 30, 2013	Apr. 30, 2012	Oct. 31, 2012	Dec. 28, 2011
Investment in non-performing loan portfolios
Impaired Financing Receivable, Unpaid Principal Balance	$ 102,131		$ 102,131		$ 99,693
Discount on acquired loans	53,424		53,424		62,524
Investments in distressed loans	48,707		48,707		37,169
Summary of accretable yield and nonaccretable difference on investments in non-performing loans portfolios
Certain Loans Acquired in Transfer Not Accounted for as Debt Securities, Acquired During Period, Contractually Required Payments Receivable at Acquisition	0		0			52,524
Nonaccretable difference						(5,125)
Certain Loans Acquired in Transfer Not Accounted for as Debt Securities, Acquired During Period, Cash Flows Expected to be Collected at Acquisition						47,399
Certain loans acquired in transfer not accouted for as debt security,acquisition date accret cash flow						(20,514)
Non-performing loans carrying amount						26,885
Activity in accretable yield for investment in non-performing loan portfolios
Begining balance	13,406	57,844	17,196	42,326
Certain Loans Acquired in Transfer Not Accounted for as a Debt Security, Accret Dff, at acquistion				20,514
Additions	471	3,010	471	2,826
Certain Loans Acquired in Transfer Not Accounted for as Debt Securities, Accretable Yield, Disposals of Loans	1,528	8,267	3,915	9,851
Accretions	(1,120)	(3,331)	(2,523)	(6,559)
Ending balance	11,229	49,256	11,229	49,256
Schedule of changes in real estate owned [Roll Forward]
Real Estate Owned - total beginning of period	68,764	6,488	58,353	5,939
Real Estate Owned Additions	3,277	11,638	14,317	12,802
Real Estate Owned, Sales	472		(911)	(615)
Real Estate Owned, Impairments			(15)
Real Estate Held And Used Depreciation	(111)	(18)	(286)	(18)
Real Estate Owned - total end of period	$ 71,458	$ 18,108	$ 71,458	$ 18,108

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