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Retirement, pension and other postretirement plans (Details Textuals) (USD $)
In Thousands, unless otherwise specified
12 Months Ended
Oct. 31, 2011
Oct. 31, 2010
Oct. 31, 2009
Defined Benefit Plan Disclosure [Line Items]      
Percentage of target rate in return seeking assets in fixed income 50.00%    
Percentage of target rate in fixed income 50.00%    
Retirement Pension And Other Postretirement Plans (Textuals) [Abstract]      
Defined contribution plan vesting period 3 years    
Expenses on retirement plans $ 8,594 $ 7,945 $ 7,703
Investments in common shares 0 0  
Pension plan, United States [Member]
     
Defined Benefit Plan Disclosure [Line Items]      
Defined benefit plans, settlement payments   17,151  
Net periodic pension cost for settlement losses 0 8,022 1,629
Percentage of World wide pension assets 85.00%    
Components of net periodic pension cost [Member]
     
Defined Benefit Plan Disclosure [Line Items]      
Net periodic pension cost for settlement losses   8,212 1,916
Employer contribution in next fiscal year 12,500    
Pension plan International [Member]
     
Defined Benefit Plan Disclosure [Line Items]      
Net periodic pension cost for settlement losses 0 190 287
Percentage of World wide pension assets 15.00%    
Components of net postretirement benefit cost [Member]
     
Defined Benefit Plan Disclosure [Line Items]      
Employer contribution in next fiscal year $ 1,900