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Income taxes (Details) (USD $)
In Thousands, unless otherwise specified
3 Months Ended 9 Months Ended
Jul. 31, 2011
Jul. 31, 2010
Jul. 31, 2011
Jul. 31, 2010
Oct. 31, 2010
Income taxes (Textual) [Abstract]          
Effective tax rate 27.70% 16.80% 29.10% 27.60%  
Additional tax benefit related to 2010     $ 1,580    
Additional tax expense related to Medicare Part D subsidies       5,255  
Tax Benefit, State tax     3,500    
Tax benefit, related to deductions associated with Employee Stock Ownership Plan     549    
Balance of unrecognized Tax Benefit 2,476   2,476   4,078
Unrecognized Tax Benefit if recognized would impact effective tax rate 2,417   2,417   4,019
Tax Benefit Recognized From Write Off of Tax Basis in Product Lines   10,700      
Accrued Interest Expense related to unrecognized tax benefits 304   304   468
Unrecognized tax benefits related to settlements 2,027        
Unrecognized tax benefits decreased due to settlements with tax authorities 1,740        
Additional tax benefits related to adjustments for deferred taxes from reduction in foreign tax rate $ 368