Pension and other postretirement plans [Details] (USD $) In Thousands	3 Months Ended	9 Months Ended
Jul. 31, 2011	Jul. 31, 2010	Jul. 31, 2011	Jul. 31, 2010
U.S. [Member]
Components of net periodic pension cost
Service cost	$ 1,509	$ 1,612	$ 4,553	$ 4,933
Interest cost	3,017	2,860	8,949	8,740
Expected return on plan assets	(3,882)	(2,897)	(11,595)	(8,692)
Amortization of prior service cost	171	134	500	442
Amortization of net actuarial loss	1,915	1,479	5,584	4,518
Settlement loss				8,022
Total benefit cost	2,730	3,188	7,991	17,963
International [Member]
Components of net periodic pension cost
Service cost	545	390	1,600	1,210
Interest cost	760	662	2,237	2,071
Expected return on plan assets	(373)	(333)	(1,104)	(1,028)
Amortization of prior service cost	2	11	4	37
Amortization of net actuarial loss	219	90	643	280
Total benefit cost	$ 1,153	$ 820	$ 3,380	$ 2,570

The amount of gains or losses recognized in net periodic benefit cost

Reference 1: http://www.xbrl.org/2003/role/presentationRef
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-Name Statement of Financial Accounting Standard (FAS)
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The amount of the prior service cost or credit recognized in net periodic benefit cost relating to benefit changes attributable to plan participants' prior service pursuant to a plan amendment or a plan initiation.

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An amount calculated as a basis for determining the extent of delayed recognition of the effects of changes in the fair value of assets. The expected return on plan assets is determined based on the expected long-term rate of return on plan assets and the market-related value of plan assets.

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Reference 1: http://www.xbrl.org/2003/role/presentationRef
-Publisher FASB
-Name Statement of Financial Accounting Standard (FAS)
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-Publisher FASB
-Name Statement of Financial Accounting Standard (FAS)
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The increase in a defined benefit pension plan's projected benefit obligation or a defined benefit postretirement plan's accumulated postretirement benefit obligation due to the passage of time.

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The total amount of net periodic benefit cost for defined benefit plans for the period. Periodic benefit costs include the following components: service cost, interest cost, expected return on plan assets, gain or loss, prior service cost or credit, transition asset or obligation, and gain or loss due to settlements or curtailments).

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The amount of net (gain) loss recognized in net periodic benefit cost as a result of an irrevocable action that relieves the employer (or the plan) of primary responsibility for a benefit obligation and eliminates significant risks related to the obligation and the assets used to effect the settlement. Examples of transactions that constitute a settlement include (a) making lump-sum cash payments to plan participants in exchange for their rights to receive specified benefits and (b) purchasing nonparticipating annuity contracts to cover vested benefits.

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Reference 1: http://www.xbrl.org/2003/role/presentationRef
-Publisher FASB
-Name Statement of Financial Accounting Standard (FAS)
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-Publisher FASB
-Name Statement of Financial Accounting Standard (FAS)
-Number 106
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-Publisher FASB
-Name Statement of Financial Accounting Standard (FAS)
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The actuarial present value of benefits attributed by the pension benefit formula to services rendered by employees during the period. The portion of the expected postretirement benefit obligation attributed to employee service during the period. The service cost component is a portion of the benefit obligation and is unaffected by the funded status of the plan.

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