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Stock-based compensation (Details Textuals) (USD $)
In Thousands, except Per Share data, unless otherwise specified
3 Months Ended 9 Months Ended
Jul. 31, 2011
Jul. 31, 2010
Jul. 31, 2011
Jul. 31, 2010
Jul. 31, 2009
Executive Officer and Selected Other Key Employees [Member]
Jul. 31, 2011
Executive Officer and Selected Other Key Employees [Member]
Jul. 31, 2010
Executive Officer and Selected Other Key Employees [Member]
Jul. 31, 2010
Executive Officer [Member]
Deferred Compensation Arrangement with Individual, Share-based Payments [Line Items]                
Weighted Average Grant Date Fair Value         $ 13.23 $ 42.02 $ 26.10 $ 29.52
Stock-based compensation (Textuals) [Abstract]                
Percentage of common shares available for grant from outstanding common shares 2.50%   2.50%          
Compensation expense recognized $ 733 $ 562 $ 2,163 $ 1,676        
Unrecognized compensation cost from nonvested stock options 7,550   7,550          
Weighted average period expected to amortized     2.1          
Weighted-average expected volatility used     44.30% 43.60%        
Weighted-average dividend yield used       1.39%        
Per share weighted average grant date fair value related to stock option grants     $ 16.80 $ 11.08        
Total intrinsic value of options exercised 831 180 22,988 18,849        
Cash received from exercise of stock options     9,620 10,804        
Tax benefit realized from tax deductions from exercises of stock options     7,150 6,104        
Designated period of time non vested common shares cannot be disposed of     generally six months to five years          
Unrecognized compensation cost related to nonvested common shares 1,957   1,957          
Weighted average period expected to amortized, non vested shares     1.9          
Expense related to non vested common shares 309 247 924 584        
Expense related to director deferred compensation 52 89 209 260        
Periods of performance considered for calculating compensation expense     3 years          
Compensation expense charged 899 2,954 3,218 3,794        
Cumulative amount recorded in shareholders' equity     $ 5,232          
Beginning period of option exercised     1 year          
Option Expiring period     10 years          
Share Based Payment Award Vesting Rights     25 percent per year for executive officers and 20 percent per year for other employees