Pension Plans (Details) (USD $)	3 Months Ended		9 Months Ended
	Aug. 04, 2012	Jul. 30, 2011	Aug. 04, 2012	Jul. 30, 2011
Net periodic pension cost
Service cost	$ 1,938,000	$ 2,340,000	$ 5,926,000	$ 6,872,000
Interest cost	2,648,000	2,916,000	8,185,000	8,544,000
Expected return on plan assets	(2,547,000)	(2,797,000)	(7,857,000)	(8,202,000)
Amortization of initial net obligation	5,000	4,000	15,000	12,000
Amortization of net loss	89,000	417,000	269,000	1,221,000
Net periodic pension cost	2,133,000	2,880,000	6,538,000	8,447,000
Pension Plans (Textual) [Abstract]
Pension contributions	3,500,000		9,100,000
Additional contribution to defined benefit pension plans	1,100,000		1,100,000
Total contribution to defined benefit pension plans for entire current fiscal year	$ 10,200,000		$ 10,200,000