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Derivatives (Details) (Other Income [Member], USD $) In Thousands, unless otherwise specified	9 Months Ended
	Aug. 04, 2012	Jul. 30, 2011
Other Income [Member]
Gain or loss on the hedged item (that is, the fixed-rate borrowings) attributable to the hedged benchmark interest rate risk and the offsetting gain or loss on the related interest rate swaps
Classification		Other income
Loss on Swaps	$ (769)	$ (4,182)
Gain on Note	769	4,182
Net Income Effect	$ 0	$ 0

Description of where the net gain (loss) on interest rate derivatives designated as fair value hedges are reported in the statement of income or other statement of financial performance.

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Amount of unrealized gain (loss) included in earnings for the period related to the fair value of the hedged item in an interest rate fair value hedge, which was offset by the gain (loss) on the hedging instrument to the extent that the fair value hedge is determined to be effective.

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