Retirement Plans Retirement Plans (Reconciliation of Change In Value For Level 3 Assets) (Details) - Fair Value, Level 3 [Member] - USD ($) $ in Millions	12 Months Ended
Sep. 30, 2017	Sep. 30, 2016
Fair Value, Assets Measured on Recurring Basis, Unobservable Input Reconciliation [Line Items]
Level 3, beginning	$ 405	$ 371
Gains (Losses) on assets held	49	18
Gains (Losses) on assets sold	(28)	(20)
Purchases, sales and settlements, net	25	36
Level 3, ending	$ 451	$ 405

Fair value measurement with unobservable inputs reconciliation recurring basis asset gains losses on assets held.

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- Definition

Fair value measurement with unobservable inputs reconciliation recurring basis asset gains losses on assets sold.

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Line items represent financial concepts included in a table. These concepts are used to disclose reportable information associated with domain members defined in one or many axes to the table.

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Amount of purchases, (sales), issuances and (settlements) of financial instrument classified as an asset measured using unobservable inputs that reflect the entity's own assumption about the assumptions market participants would use in pricing.

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Reference 1: http://www.xbrl.org/2003/role/presentationRef
-Publisher FASB
-Name Accounting Standards Codification
-Topic 820
-SubTopic 10
-Section 50
-Paragraph 2
-Subparagraph (c)(2)
-URI http://asc.fasb.org/extlink&oid=66048111&loc=d3e19207-110258

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Fair value of financial instrument classified as an asset measured using unobservable inputs that reflect the entity's own assumption about the assumptions market participants would use in pricing.

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Reference 1: http://www.xbrl.org/2003/role/presentationRef
-Publisher FASB
-Name Accounting Standards Codification
-Topic 820
-SubTopic 10
-Section 50
-Paragraph 2
-Subparagraph (c)
-URI http://asc.fasb.org/extlink&oid=66048111&loc=d3e19207-110258

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