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ACCESSION NUMBER:		0001209191-05-058697
CONFORMED SUBMISSION TYPE:	4
PUBLIC DOCUMENT COUNT:		1
CONFORMED PERIOD OF REPORT:	20051117
FILED AS OF DATE:		20051121
DATE AS OF CHANGE:		20051121

REPORTING-OWNER:	

	OWNER DATA:	
		COMPANY CONFORMED NAME:			CRUZ WILLIAM R
		CENTRAL INDEX KEY:			0001052104
		FISCAL YEAR END:			1231

	FILING VALUES:
		FORM TYPE:		4
		SEC ACT:		1934 Act
		SEC FILE NUMBER:	000-31049
		FILM NUMBER:		051218225

	BUSINESS ADDRESS:	
		BUSINESS PHONE:		(954) 652-7000

	MAIL ADDRESS:	
		STREET 1:		8050 SW 10TH STREET
		STREET 2:		SUITE 4000
		CITY:			PLANTATION
		STATE:			FL
		ZIP:			33324

ISSUER:		

	COMPANY DATA:	
		COMPANY CONFORMED NAME:			TRADESTATION GROUP INC
		CENTRAL INDEX KEY:			0001111559
		STANDARD INDUSTRIAL CLASSIFICATION:	SECURITY BROKERS, DEALERS & FLOTATION COMPANIES [6211]
		IRS NUMBER:				650977576
		STATE OF INCORPORATION:			FL
		FISCAL YEAR END:			1231

	BUSINESS ADDRESS:	
		STREET 1:		8050 SW 10TH STREET
		STREET 2:		SUITE 4000
		CITY:			PLANTATION
		STATE:			FL
		ZIP:			33324
		BUSINESS PHONE:		(954) 652-7000

	MAIL ADDRESS:	
		STREET 1:		8050 SW 10TH STREET
		STREET 2:		SUITE 4000
		CITY:			PLANTATION
		STATE:			FL
		ZIP:			33324

	FORMER COMPANY:	
		FORMER CONFORMED NAME:	ONLINETRADING COM GROUP INC
		DATE OF NAME CHANGE:	20000410
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    <footnotes>
        <footnote id="F1">The sales reported in this Form 4 were effected pursuant to a Rule 10b5-1 trading plan adopted by WRCF-II 1997 Limited Partnership on October 26, 2005.</footnote>
        <footnote id="F2">Shares owned by WRCF-II 1997 Limited Partnership, which is 100% beneficially owned by William R. Cruz.</footnote>
        <footnote id="F3">Shares owned by WRCF-I 1997 Limited Partnership, the 1% general partner of which is a Texas corporation that is wholly owned by William R. Cruz and the 99% limited partner of which is William R. Cruz. WRCF-I 1997 Limited Partnership is a 10% owner of the issuer.  This partnership engaged in no purchase or sale transactions regarding the shares.</footnote>
        <footnote id="F4">Shares owned by Patricia Cruz, the wife of William R. Cruz. William R. Cruz disclaims beneficial ownership of these shares.</footnote>
    </footnotes>

    <remarks></remarks>

    <ownerSignature>
        <signatureName>/s/ William R. Cruz</signatureName>
        <signatureDate>2005-11-21</signatureDate>
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